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on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 12:56 PM GMT - 422 Reads -  |
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Nobel Prize winner’s revelations
Several months have passed since an astounding interview of
Montagnier came out on YouTube, and although many people are
already aware of it, the Italian media have kept silent. It’s critically
important that it be discussed, and that the right conclusions be
drawn from it.
A transcript of the interview appears below, following which is my
comment on it:
(This article has been sent to important Italian newspapers and weekly
magazines.)
Statements by Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine,
conferred on him for the “discovery of HIV and its role as the cause
of AIDS”, made in the documentary film “House of Numbers”
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoNW7lOnT4 )
Brent Leung: You talked about oxidative stress earlier. Is treating
oxidative stress one of the best ways to deal with the African AIDS
epidemic?
Luc Montagnier: I think it is one way to approach. To decrease the
rate of transmission because I believe HIV, we can be exposed to
HIV many times without being chronically infected. Our immune
system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks, if you have a good
immune system; and this is the problem also of Africa, of African
people. Their nutrition is not very equilibrated, they are in oxidative
stress, even if they are not infected with HIV. So their immune system
doesn’t work well, already. So it’s prone, you know, it can allow HIV
to get in and persist.
So there are many ways which are not the vaccine – the magic name,
the vaccine! – there are many ways to decrease the transmission just
by simple measures of nutrition, giving antioxidants, proper
antioxidants, hygiene measures, fighting the other infections. So they
are not spectacular, but they could, you know, decrease very well the
epidemic to the level they are in occidental countries, Western
countries.
Brent Leung: So if you have a good immune system, then your body
can naturally get rid of HIV?!
Luc Montagnier: Yes.
Brent Leung: Oh, interesting. Do you think we should have more of a
push for antioxidants and things of that nature in Africa than
antiretrovirals?
Luc Montagnier: We should push for more you know a combination of
measures, you know, antioxidants, nutrition advice, nutrition, fighting
other infections, malaria, tuberculosis, parasites, worms, education of
course, genital hygiene for women and men also, very simple
measures, which are not very expensive but which could do a lot.
And this is actually my worry about the many spectacular action for
the global funds to buy drugs and so on. And Bill gates and so on, for
the vaccine. But you know those kind of measures are not very well
funded, they’re not funded at all, or they are, you know, it really
depends on the local government to take choice of this. But the local
government they take advice of the scientific advisors from the
[international?] institutions and they don’t get this kind of advice very
often.
Brent Leung: There’s no money in nutrition, right? There’s no profit.
Luc Montagnier: There’s no profit, yes! Water is important, water is
key.
Brent Leung: Now I think you said you were talking about if you have
a built immune system that it is possible to get rid of HIV naturally. If
you take a poor African who has been infected and you build up their
immune system is it possible for them to also naturally get rid of it?
Luc Montagnier: I would think so.
Brent Leung: OK. That’s an important, that’s an important point.
Luc Montagnier: It’s important knowledge which is completely
neglected. You know, people always think of drugs and vaccine
(grinning broadly). So this is a message which may be different from
the other what you heard before, no?
Brent Leung: The closing?
Luc Montagnier (smiling): No, no, yes, my message is different from
what you heard from Fauci or er..!
Brent Leung: Yes. It’s a little different.
Luc Montagnier (beaming and grinning widely): Little different!
COMMENT
Fabio Franchi
(Translated by the Treatment Information Group: tig.org.za)
Montagnier undermines the grounds for the award of the Nobel Prize to him
in October 2008.
Montagnier had already tried to find a way out when claiming in
1991 that the “HI virus” only causes AIDS in the presence of cofactors
(micoplasmas). He soon experienced the chilly isolation of the
scientific community for this, and took the hint: he stopped making
the point, and with that the orthodoxy reaccepted him into its ranks
with open arms.
But that wasn’t his only “deviance”. In 1992, in order to explain the
embarrassing presence of cases of “AIDS without virus” (CD4
idiopathic lymphocytopenia), Montagnier mooted a “hit and run”
model, a blitz in a German style: contact -> infection -> damage….
and escape without leaving a clue. I’m sorry to say, but such an
hypothesis is unfalsifiable, unverifiable and therefore unscientific.
Now Montagnier improves his creative hypothesis and says that
“HIV infection” only takes place if the immune system is already
deficient; otherwise “HIV” is unable to “enter”. He therefore
understands this infection as the consequence of immunodeficiency: an
immunodeficiency present before the arrival of “HIV” and which is
produced by oxidative stress. This is enough to explode “HIV” as the
cause of AIDS.… and his Nobel Prize.
Were Montagnier consistent, he would at this point give back the
Prize and say: “I’m sorry, but I’ve been pulling your leg.”
Without hesitating, he goes on to add that the best treatment for
AIDS is not antiretrovirals, but antioxidants instead, precisely
contradicting what he had said before. Not even vaccination is
supposed to be useful, he says (even though he promised one so
many times, and dedicated the last 25 years of his career trying to
find one!).
Moreover, he acknowledged that huge sums in research funding
were being squandered on this, omitting to mention that he’d
received more than a few crumbs in this pointless pursuit.
He says Africans are immune deficient due to malnutrition and other
diseases irrespective of “HIV” infection – which is precisely what
several “dissidents”, also called “denialists”, have written, and which
until now has been considered “dangerous to public health”!
Blithely expounding on these matters, he speaks as though he were
revealing his own original, thoughtful and novel insights, shared
with us at long last.
He claims we don’t get infected if we are immune competent, but
that if “HIV” is nonetheless able to penetrate an immune competent
person, he gets rid of it within two weeks. Thus he contradicts (has
he forgotten?) two cornerstones of immunology to be found in any
textbook. Unless I’m to be corrected, (a) infections take place
irrespective of immune competence (whereas the evolution of
infections depends on it), and (b) the elimination of the virus can
indeed take place within some weeks, but it leaves a clue, a scar even
in immune competent people, namely the specific antibody reaction
which is testimony to the “fight between the alien element and one’s
own soldiers”. An organism cannot eliminate a virus without
combating it (that is, if the virus has not first penetrated and
multiplied itself).
Montagnier says that if the immune system of an immune deficient
individual is strengthened, “HIV” can be eliminated! But what does
he mean by eliminate? (Does the individual become HIV-Antibody
negative? Would the “viral load” become zero?)
If Montagnier believes (as he seems to believe) that “HIV” is a
retrovirus, he wouldn’t say the body can eliminate it (if he claims
“HIV” becomes part of the host’s cells’ genome). At most he would
claim that the body can keep it quiescently repressed.
With these claims Montagnier degrades the role of HIV to a factor of
secondary importance (not even as a co-cause any longer, as he claimed in
1991-92). He degrades it to a factor which is neither necessary nor sufficient
for AIDS, so much so that – in his bright opinion – it is not necessary to
fight HIV directly to treat AIDS!!
CONCLUSIONS
I don’t know how this scientist should be judged, attracted as he is by
fame and success but nonetheless capable of illuminating partial
recognitions (albeit revealing dark compromises with his conscience).
These acknowledgments are more than enough to subvert the
reasons for his success (but, of course, only after having enjoyed it to
the full).
What is important is that the theory of oxidative stress (first proposed
by Papadopulos-Eleopulos, and afterwards by Passi, Kremer and
others) should be restored to relevance. It is a unifying theory
adumbrating numerous causal factors and allowing a range of
perspectives of prevention, treatment and further understanding.
As for Africans, Duesberg, Rasnick, Fiala and many others have
claimed from the beginning that AIDS in Africa (resulting from
malnutrition, polluted and infected water and manifold diseases) is
very different from AIDS in Western countries.
With these recent statements of his, Montagnier implicitly
acknowledges the arguments of those who have always been his
historical opponents, the so-called dissidents. But his bad faith is
evident from the time he chose to make his claims – only after
receiving the Nobel Prize – and from his failure to credit the
originators of those claims made up to 25 years ago.
He, the individual best known for the HIV theory of AIDS ends up
demolishing it. What ingratitude to the establishment that made him so rich
and famous!
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